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Hayden Lee Redwood

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Hello, i found this on my journey through Graham Hancocks,newsdesk. I thought it very interesting...there some cool translation of some of the moves, here is one of them...

"You underhook with your right arm. You wrap your arm around his, where he has taken the underhook, and attack the side with your left foot. You push away with your left hand. You force the hold and fight it out."•"You stand up to his side, attack with your foot and fight it out."

 

Here is the link

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/story/2011-10-18/wrestling-artifact-history/50817198/1


"Welcome to the world's oldest and greatest sport," said Aliverti, who died in 2010.

The "greatest" part of that is a matter of taste. But when it comes to "oldest," the sport of wrestling now is showcasing some ancient documentation to make its case.

Written in Greek on an 18-inch wide fragment of papyrus and dated to between 100 and 200 A.D., it is a list of instructions on how to wrestle.

 


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orgataborgata.

October 18, 2011 at 7:40 PM Flag Quote & Reply

VCK
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Well spotted Hayden.

However the documents are not so old... actually there is much older historical evidence of many types of sport, including but not limited to wrestling, some dating as far back as four or five thousand years ago.... Some examples:

 

"Ancient relics that have been unearthed indicate that people in China 4,000 to 10,000 years ago already knew how to do physical exercises to limber up themselves. Such physical activities as shejian (shooting arrows) and juding (lifting metal tripods) which were carried out as far back as in the Western Zhou Dynasty (c 1,066- 771 BC) may well be compared to what we call sports today".

& from India:

"During the era of the Rig - Veda, Ramayana and Mahabharata, men of a certain stature were expected to be well - versed in chariot - racing, archery, military stratagems, swimming, wrestling and hunting. Excavations at Harappa and Mohenjodaro confirm that during the Indus valley civilization ( 2500 - 1550 B.C ) the weapons involved in war and hunting exercises included the bow and arrow, the dagger, the axe and the mace. These weapons of war, for instance, the javelin ( toran ) and the discus ( chakra ), were also, frequently used in the sports arena. Lord Krishna wielded an impressive discus or Sudarshan chakra. Arjuna and Bhima, two of the mighty Pandavas, excelled in archery and weightlifting respectively. Bhimsen, Hanuman, Jamvant, Jarasandha were some of the great champion wrestlers of yore. Women, too, excelled in sport and the art of self - defence, and were active participants in games like cock - fighting, quail - fighting and ram - fighting."

However it cannot be disputed that forms of wrestling are amongst the oldest of sports.

October 21, 2011 at 12:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply

VCK
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An excellent work that references the earliest written records of ancient sports - many of which were the forerunner to what we might understand as 'sport' today - is the book "Sport In Ancient Times", by Nigel B. Crowther.

Crowthers study covers sport in the Far East, the Middle East, North Africa, Greece, Italy, the Byzantine Empire, and the Americas; a large representative sample from 5 continents and 20 different societies that include both Eastern and Western traditions. It surveys various types of sport and recreation from some of the earliest written records (about 3000 B.C.E .), to the Middle Ages.

October 22, 2011 at 2:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Hayden Lee Redwood

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Hello VCK,

The same thinking occurred as i was posting the article...meaning i have also read references/texts referring to earlier fighting techniques/text/references etc as you have described.

I have read some of the Vedic texts storys about Arjuna and the other great warriors through earths history which is now a forgotten past. One tourmanent,  Arjuna had to shot an arrow through the eye of a fish( That was hanging from ceiling) using the reflection in a bucket of water as the only guide for his aiming.



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orgataborgata.

October 23, 2011 at 3:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Hayden Lee Redwood

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This is possible, because Aboriginals in Australia, are able to track a fish by just watching the surface water distortions. A good spare fisherman could spare 6/8 fish using just the surface of the water to estimate where a fish would be to strike without actually even seeing the fish. From book im reading called ''Nutrition and physical degeneration of our modern diets'' by Dr Weston Price

Just an example that these ancient peoples had some great skills.

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orgataborgata.

October 23, 2011 at 3:34 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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